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This article was originally published in Vox on June 21, 2018. You can access the original article here: bit.ly/2LnjM8g.

The Tahirih Justice Center’s Houston Executive Director, Anne Chandler, spoke with Vox’s daily podcast, Today, Explained, about the chaos of family separation at the border and the recent executive order regarding the practice.

“As we talk to parents we realize that as they enter the system, parents have absolutely no idea where their kids are going to be sent to,” said Chandler.

Listen to the podcast here.